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GordonG
21-01-2010, 09:10 AM
This is kind of a surprise...

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/basketball/twenty20-basketball-league-planned-20100120-mljv.html

gangsta boo
21-01-2010, 09:15 AM
Where is the money coming from again?

Hope it doesn't turn into Slamball

RedbackVenom
21-01-2010, 09:15 AM
Wow - what an intriguing idea!

Sounds very interesting and if done right could certainly garner a lot of interest and media support. Love the fact that a FTA station has picked up the rights (I'm assuming it is One HD) and that teams if they can, can sign up big international names should they be available.

The fact the NBA and FIBA has had an involvement also signals to me they see this trial in Australia as being a test case for potential widespread launch should it prove successful.

I would love to see and hear more about it...

PyroCross
21-01-2010, 09:36 AM
I don't know exactly why everyone's trying to do what cricket did with T20, I just find it a hilarious comparison. Would like to see the effectiveness of this, especially if its only a one-week tournament, but I'm speculative to the talent they may be able to get given World Champs aren't that far away...

haggard
21-01-2010, 10:15 AM
i thought we did this when we shortened our quarters, 20 minutes in the first half, twenty in the second half.

djmenow
21-01-2010, 10:17 AM
Hope it doesn't turn into Slamball

I love Slamball. I wish we had something like that here is Oz.

DodgeTaylor
21-01-2010, 10:18 AM
This is what I was alluding to in this thread last week:
http://www.ozhoopsboards.com/showthread.php?t=4399

I'll put up a press release in a few minutes as the official announcement/press conference is happening in 15 minutes.

DodgeTaylor
21-01-2010, 10:21 AM
Where is the money coming from again?

Sponsors ... major sponsor is Foot Locker

haggard
21-01-2010, 10:23 AM
This is what I was alluding to in this thread last week:
http://www.ozhoopsboards.com/showthread.php?t=4399

I'll put up a press release in a few minutes as the official announcement/press conference is happening in 15 minutes.


that will be great. That article doesn't tell us anything and is nothing but pure speculation.

gangsta boo
21-01-2010, 10:25 AM
Sponsors ... major sponsor is Foot Locker

Cool. But why have they chosen Adelaide?

DodgeTaylor
21-01-2010, 10:30 AM
Press Release

21 January, 2010

ONE slam dunks its way into High Stakes Hoops

Network Ten today announced a return of local basketball to commercial free-to-air television with a new tournament ? the "Footlocker Elite Classic ? High Stakes Hoops" to air on ONE in April.

The competition, running from the 6th to 11th April in Adelaide will see more than 37 hours of LIVE basketball broadcast over five days on commercial free-to-air television. Steve Carfino and Bill Woods will host the coverage on ONE.

Eight teams will play for a total prize pool of $250,000 over the five days with personalities as team rights owners. Hawthorn Football Club superstar Buddy Franklin has taken charge of the Pythons while Melbourne Vixen, Julie Corletto will own the Coasters and Lanard Copeland (former NBL great, future NBL Hall-of-Fame player, Melbourne Tigers) and Sedale Threatt (former 14 year NBA player, LA Lakers, Seattle Supersonics among other teams), will be team rights owners of RUSH. Brett Maher (former Adelaide 36rs star and Australian team member) will take control of the FLEET team.

Network Ten Head of Sport, David White said basketball had a passionate following in Australia and this tournament will fill a gap in the current Australian television landscape.

"ONE currently televises NBA and NCAA games each week during the American basketball season and the fans have shown us they are passionate about their sport. We believe this tournament with its big name stars, owners from various sporting codes and the creative rule changes will provide a fast and exciting event for our fans to enjoy LIVE and EXCLUSIVE on ONE."

Several rule changes or 'innovations' have been included to make the games more interesting for fans.

"The changes will make the games more dynamic for the fans and players alike delivering innovation that directly answers the call for a unique, free-flowing, every-minute-counts basketball contest," said ECB Managing Director, Jeff Van Groningen.

On two occasions during each game, the coach or on-court captain of each team may opt to use a 'game breaker' phase. Over 3 minutes every three-point shot scored by the 'game breaker' team will count as four points. The backboard at the team's end will be brightly lit in green denoting that the game breaker phase is in process.

In another initiative each individual quarter will be scored separately from the game score. The team that wins each quarter will receive bonus 'elite points' that will be accumulated during the competition and will have an impact on the prize money distribution that reach the Footlocker Elite Classic ? High Stakes Hoops Final Four. "This change will mean that teams won't wind down the clock at the end of the quarter because while they want to the win the game they will also want those bonus points for winning the quarter as well," Van Groningen said.

ONE broadcast schedule:

Tuesday 6 April & Wednesday 7 April:
12.30pm ? 8.30pm AEST & Bris / 10.30am ? 6.30pm Per / 12noon ? 8pm Ade

Thursday 8 April:
11.30am ? 7.30pm AEST & Bris / 9.30am ? 5.30pm Per / 11am ? 7pm Ade

Friday 9 April:
4.30pm ? 8.30pm AEST & Bris / 2.30pm ? 6.30pm Per / 4pm ? 8pm Ade

Sunday 11 April:
FINAL: 5pm ? 7.30pm AEST & Bris / 3pm ? 5.30pm Per / 4.30pm ? 7pm Ade

gangsta boo
21-01-2010, 10:43 AM
Its like a real life NBA Jam

Cussy
21-01-2010, 10:43 AM
I think the NBL has been flirting with innovative rule changes for some time now but they have tried to keep them quiet. Unfortunately Ray Hunt revealed some last night so hopefully he hasn't given the game away*

*figuratively speaking, of course. The sooner he gives the game away, the better.

DodgeTaylor
21-01-2010, 11:27 AM
The official website is now live:
http://highstakeshoops.com/

angry ant
21-01-2010, 11:30 AM
Would have great to be able to bring NBA players down to play in the tourny, but the playoffs are on in April. Maybe big name ex NBA players or streetballers? One or two on each team?

And I reckon they should make dunks worth more points, so players don't lay the ball in all the time...

haggard
21-01-2010, 11:41 AM
I wonder how many of these 'big name stars' are going ot make themselves avaliable for this?

DodgeTaylor
21-01-2010, 11:54 AM
With the amount of cash up for grabs and the exposure on One, I'd imagine most players will be quite interested.

meg
21-01-2010, 12:14 PM
"The changes will make the games more dynamic for the fans and players alike delivering innovation that directly answers the call for a unique, free-flowing, every-minute-counts basketball contest," said ECB Managing Director, Jeff Van Groningen.



See, that's a description of basketball, right there. I'm not quite convinced you can make it more exciting without totally screwing up the reasons we love it in the first place.

Derek
21-01-2010, 12:35 PM
Immediate thoughts:

- I'm interested to see BA's reaction- is it a 'rebel' league, or something BA will get behind? The exposure on FTA might help bring them onside- especially with One now available across most of the country- but BA might baulk at the wacky rules.

- It's after the NBL season, so off-contract players could (presumably) compete. It clashes with the last weeks of the NBA regular season, so I don't think anyone on contract will come over, but it might attract the fringe players jumping between 10-day contracts.

- players like John Rillie are probably licking their lips at the four-point-shot powerplays. :P

- team names aren't (totally) cringeworthy.

- ONE likes putting RANDOM words in CAPITAL LETTERS.

DN

gangsta boo
21-01-2010, 12:48 PM
Other highlights about rules include:

48-minute games, in line with NBA-style basketball.
Jump balls are used to settle 'tie ups' -- no possession arrow.
Each team will have only one full timeout and one 20-second timeout in each half. Unused timeouts cannot be carried into the second half. Less timeouts will result in a more free-flowing game.
Rosters are limited to 10 players. In addition to players, benches may contain two coaches (maximum) and one team manager.
The look and feel of the sidelines will be clean and minimal.


Interesting "highlights"

Cussy
21-01-2010, 01:12 PM
i thought we did this when we shortened our quarters, 20 minutes in the first half, twenty in the second half.

The "twenty20" in basketball refers to the old casino adage, as in "twenty on red, twenty on black, you can't lose". It means this new game will be a guaranteed winner.

Something was lost in translation in last nights match, however, as the phrase "twenty on red and black, they can't lose" was thrown about prior to the jump ball.

DDFan
21-01-2010, 01:17 PM
At this early stage, 4 of the 8 teams apparently have ownership, no signings, but ownership.
With a total minimum prize money being touted of AU$250k, I'm skeptical as to how many big name players would be willing to fly to Adelaide, to share the takings.
The venue choice does seem dubious, especially when there are 2 of the biggest markets in Australia vying for inclusion into the newNBL next season.
Mind you, I've got an unused 2 bedroom rental property close to the Dome. Lock it in at AU$20k/night & I'm all for it.

Rebecca
21-01-2010, 02:05 PM
Wow - what an intriguing idea!

Sounds very interesting and if done right could certainly garner a lot of interest and media support. Love the fact that a FTA station has picked up the rights (I'm assuming it is One HD) and that teams if they can, can sign up big international names should they be available.

The fact the NBA and FIBA has had an involvement also signals to me they see this trial in Australia as being a test case for potential widespread launch should it prove successful.

I would love to see and hear more about it...

I find it hard to believe that the NBA are involved or FIBA especially for that matter as BA and the NBL have not sanctioned the event

illusiv
21-01-2010, 02:11 PM
This is what I was alluding to in this thread last week:
http://www.ozhoopsboards.com/showthread.php?t=4399

I'll put up a press release in a few minutes as the official announcement/press conference is happening in 15 minutes.


As was I :)

DodgeTaylor
21-01-2010, 02:21 PM
I find it hard to believe that the NBA are involved or FIBA especially for that matter as BA and the NBL have not sanctioned the event

Yes, not sure where Venom got the FIBA/NBA association from

Lethal Vertical
21-01-2010, 02:25 PM
Somehow I don't think any "high profile AFL star" s will be able to play a tourny like this in April.

illusiv
21-01-2010, 02:31 PM
Jeff Van Groningen is the main man behind this, and Cal Bruton is also involved!

Lethal Vertical
21-01-2010, 02:38 PM
Good ol' Jeff.

illusiv
21-01-2010, 02:39 PM
I think it's fantastic to see, and that it's on One HD shows that Basketball can get onto FTA. I think the NBL/BA need to get on and see how this was setup!

j-mac
21-01-2010, 02:46 PM
See, that's a description of basketball, right there. I'm not quite convinced you can make it more exciting without totally screwing up the reasons we love it in the first place.
This.

I would love many more people to be going to NBL games each week, but if people don't like basketball as it is, too bad, we'll just have to put up with low crowds.

Surely the good NBL players chasing money in the off season will go to play briefly in Europe, as others have in the past, rather than sharing in $250,000?
And the olds will likely take a break to rest up for their pre-season training leading up to the next NBL season.

DodgeTaylor
21-01-2010, 03:00 PM
This.

I would love many more people to be going to NBL games each week, but if people don't like basketball as it is, too bad, we'll just have to put up with low crowds.

Surely the good NBL players chasing money in the off season will go to play briefly in Europe, as others have in the past, rather than sharing in $250,000?
And the olds will likely take a break to rest up for their pre-season training leading up to the next NBL season.

You do realise that this is a 5 day event (like a carnival) so it won't exactly take a toll on any of the players and won't limit them from going overseas.

You also realise how little many NBL players get paid so a couple of thousand bucks (at least) for playing a couple of games is a pretty good return.

DodgeTaylor
21-01-2010, 03:01 PM
Somehow I don't think any "high profile AFL star" s will be able to play a tourny like this in April.

Surely you are joking ...

The "high profile AFL star" mentioned is Lance Franklin ... and he's not playing, he's a team owner.

DodgeTaylor
21-01-2010, 03:06 PM
More info (and his thoughts) from Boti Nagy who was at the press conference:
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26616439-5006371,00.html

j-mac
21-01-2010, 03:08 PM
You do realise that this is a 5 day event (like a carnival) so it won't exactly take a toll on any of the players and won't limit them from going overseas.

You also realise how little many NBL players get paid so a couple of thousand bucks (at least) for playing a couple of games is a pretty good return.

1. Probably, but what if they need off-season surgery or have say a hip complaint that needs plenty of rest before the next season.

2. So no Tigers players will be there then.http://www.bombertalk4.com/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

DDFan
21-01-2010, 03:11 PM
You do realise that this is a 5 day event (like a carnival) so it won't exactly take a toll on any of the players and won't limit them from going overseas.

You also realise how little many NBL players get paid so a couple of thousand bucks (at least) for playing a couple of games is a pretty good return.Hey Dodgey, while you're at it, can you persuade the stars to put on a "Dunk Contest"?

That went down really well last time.

Heck, why not jam a broom handle up the players' arses & they can sweep the court for yah.

BTW, which team will Goorj coach? I haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere.

DodgeTaylor
21-01-2010, 03:22 PM
Full press release with quotes from parties involved (JVG, Franklin, Goorjian):


Elite Classic Basketball (ECB) today announces an exciting addition to the Australian sporting calendar.

?Foot Locker Elite Classic - High Stakes Hoops?

The 'Foot Locker Elite Classic - High Stakes Hoops' will see eight teams playing for a total prize pool of $250,000 in a short, sharp and lucrative event.

Network Ten and ECB have created a partnership which results in ONE broadcasting the 'Foot Locker Elite Classic - High Stakes Hoops' in its entirety - over 37 hours of live basketball on free-to-air commercial television.

"We are delighted to partner with ECB to broadcast this exciting event. The 'Foot Locker Elite Classic - High Stakes Hoops' event fills a gap in the current Australian television landscape", Network Ten Head of Sport, David White, said today.

The Adelaide Dome has been selected as the venue for the event due to its basketball-specific facilities and capacity, combined with a strong and knowledgeable basketball fan base in the city.

The innovative format is designed to appeal to fans at the games and the wider national television audience alike, and sees eight teams owned by ?Team Rights Owners? who pay a fee to secure the rights to a team. While the winner takes home a majority of the prize pool, six out of the eight Team Rights Owners secure a monetary prize of at least their buy-in fee.

ECB Managing Director Jeff Van Groningen believes the business model is unique. ?With six out of the eight Team Rights Owners able to re-coup their initial fee and a significant prize up for grabs this is a chance for players and Team Rights Owners alike to compete in a ?high stakes? environment over a short period of time?.

The ?Foot Locker Elite Classic - High Stakes Hoops? falls in a clear calendar window, away from regular, top-tier professional commitments for most players.

?This event recognises the global trend in which people are time-poor yet demand unique, dynamic and palatable sporting events. Combining game innovations, celebrity involvement, a prize pool and a terrific live broadcast partner in ONE, the 'Foot Locker Elite Classic - High Stakes Hoops' is the basketball event that responds to this demand?, Van Groningen said.

Foot Locker leads the corporate support for the event and provides its peerless brand strength through a Naming Rights deal for the event. Nike have partnered with Foot Locker and will reveal spectacular uniforms for each of the teams closer to the event.

Triple M has partnered with the 'Foot Locker Elite Classic - High Stakes Hoops' to become the Official Radio Partner of the event.

Iconic sports brand Spalding will be the Official Ball of the ECB. With significant game-ball experience garnered in partnership with the NBA, Spalding will soon unveil a unique ball for the event which is sure to create an impact.

Four Team Rights Owners have been announced today. All are prominent sporting personalities who share an interest in the great game of basketball.

Hawthorn AFL star Lance ?Buddy? Franklin has secured the PYTHONS, Melbourne Vixen & Australian Diamond Julie Corletto takes charge of the COASTERS, former NBL great Lanard Copeland in partnership with retired 14-year NBA player Sedale Threatt (Lakers, 76rs, Sonics) direct the RUSH, and local Adelaide legend Brett Maher (18 years Adelaide 36rs and triple Olympian) will steer the FLEET.

?I?m a big basketball fan and always have been. I?m looking forward to putting a squad together to try and win this event. I like the format, it?s so unique?, Lance Franklin said today.

Four Team Rights slots are available - RAYS, REEF, CYCLONES and MONARCHS - with announcements to follow.

Several innovative rule changes will see enhanced interest in the event.

On two occasions during each game, one in each half, the coach or on-court captain of each team may opt to use a ?game breaker? phase. Over the next 3 minutes of clock time every three-point shot scored will count as four points. The backboard at the team?s attacking end will be brightly lit in green LED lighting, denoting the ?game breaker? phase is in effect. Strategy will develop quickly around this unique phase of play.

A further innovation will see each individual quarter scored separately from the final game score. While the winning team will always get the ?W? in the column, the team winning each quarter receives bonus ?elite points? that accumulate during the competition and are assessed when distributing prize money for those teams not making the Foot Locker Elite Classic Final Four.

Coaching legend Brian Goorjian has thrown his support behind the event. ?This event is innovative and ground-breaking and has the potential to really engage fans. It?s a showcase for the sport on free-to-air television?, Goorjian said. The winner of an unprecedented 6 NBL Championships added, ?I like the ingredients. Former players and coaches are involved, and new coaching strategies will be employed to maximize the benefits of the rule changes. The whole thing is dynamic. Team Rights Owners are coming into this from other sports because they believe in it and I have no doubt it will attract top players. They?ll want to be part of this?.

illusiv
21-01-2010, 03:26 PM
Why the negativity?

Goorj is quoted about it here:

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26616439-5006371,00.html




Hey Dodgey, while you're at it, can you persuade the stars to put on a "Dunk Contest"?

That went down really well last time.

Heck, why not jam a broom handle up the players' arses & they can sweep the court for yah.

BTW, which team will Goorj coach? I haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere.

Voice(s)
21-01-2010, 03:33 PM
Maybe One HD are dipping their toes in with this and if they like the ratings might make a run at the NBL? I'd assume Maher will go into more detail about it all on Inside The Game tomorrow night. This is only a good thing for basketball in this country and I'll certainly be watching.

Wallitron
21-01-2010, 04:29 PM
This is a game custom made for BJ Carter. No need for D, just cherry pick 3 pointers. Agree that you need a 3 point dunk (4 in the game breaker section).

Cussy
21-01-2010, 04:32 PM
Other highlights about rules include:

48-minute games, in line with NBA-style basketball.
Jump balls are used to settle 'tie ups' -- no possession arrow.
Each team will have only one full timeout and one 20-second timeout in each half. Unused timeouts cannot be carried into the second half. Less timeouts will result in a more free-flowing game.
Rosters are limited to 10 players. In addition to players, benches may contain two coaches (maximum) and one team manager.
The look and feel of the sidelines will be clean and minimal.

Sorry, weren't they trying to promote a fast paced, every possessions counts style of play?

haggard
21-01-2010, 04:33 PM
This is a game custom made for BJ Carter. No need for D, just cherry pick 3 pointers. Agree that you need a 3 point dunk (4 in the game breaker section).

that makes sense. it would draw defences back to the basket in game breaker periods instead of just covering the 3 point line.

you would give up 2 points to protect the 4 point area.

Stumps
21-01-2010, 05:49 PM
On two occasions during each game, one in each half, the coach or on-court captain of each team may opt to use a ?game breaker? phase. Over the next 3 minutes of clock time every three-point shot scored will count as four points. The backboard at the team?s attacking end will be brightly lit in green LED lighting, denoting the ?game breaker? phase is in effect. Strategy will develop quickly around this unique phase of play.
Yeah, such as the highly exciting "other team holds the ball up when they have it to kill as much of the three minutes as possible" strategy.

angry ant
21-01-2010, 06:15 PM
http://twitter.com/ECBHoops

jjj
22-01-2010, 01:02 AM
This.

I would love many more people to be going to NBL games each week, but if people don't like basketball as it is, too bad, we'll just have to put up with low crowds.

Surely the good NBL players chasing money in the off season will go to play briefly in Europe, as others have in the past, rather than sharing in $250,000?
And the olds will likely take a break to rest up for their pre-season training leading up to the next NBL season.

what happens to a player that is in a team that doesn't win any games and gets injured. No money - no insurance.

MASSIVE RISK.

struggle to see how frontline players will go for it under those circumstances.
then there;s the chance that BA takes a sour view and decides to suspend players for playing in an unsanctioned competition.
end of career. i have seen it happen in other sports. more trouble than its worth - without doubt.
look for a bunch of has beens and recently retired players to have a crack. but the legit NBL regulars willl stay far away

angry ant
22-01-2010, 01:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrQyKrocxD8

Voice(s)
22-01-2010, 01:35 AM
It doesn't look like any NBL players will be able to take part in this tournament as according to Boti they're contracted until June.

jake31
22-01-2010, 07:04 AM
It doesn't look like any NBL players will be able to take part in this tournament as according to Boti they're contracted until June.

They can be released to play in this just like they are released to play for their State League comps...with their club owners' permission every other season. Don't know about the top NBL players who are usually no longer playing ABA, SBL, NZNBL etc. Injuries sustained would be covered under their NBL contracts, it's only a week! The dates will count out guys who are going to play in the NZNBL tho. Also, players who luckily pick up extra late season stuff in Europe will already be gone. I expect tho there will be less of that, at the end of this season.

cantremeber
22-01-2010, 07:11 AM
They can be released to play in this just like they are released to play for their State League comps...with their club owners' permission every other season. Don't know about the top NBL players who are usually no longer playing ABA, SBL, NZNBL etc. Injuries sustained would be covered under their NBL contracts, it's only a week! The dates will count out guys who are going to play in the NZNBL tho. Also, players who luckily pick up extra late season stuff in Europe will already be gone. I expect tho there will be less of that, at the end of this season.

The head of the Crocs made it clear although I dont really know what he was saying.

He said "The competition has no boundaries on imports and NBL players are eligible, although the Crocs are unlikely to release any players to the franchises. ??I?ll be reluctant to release any players, but I haven?t been approached by anyone,?? Crocs chief executive Ian Smythe said.

??Being a Crocodile is a full-time occupation and certainly our guys by the end of the season will be looking for a well-earned break. Then we?ll be looking at getting them into work in the community.??

Players every year have picked up playing gigs wherever and whenever they wanted to.

And as far as the last statement - mot sure of any that have done that for a quid - and certainly not as a policy that I've ever heard of

I'd say its the NBL "circling its wagons" from the new guy on the block

DDFan
22-01-2010, 09:26 AM
I was asked to explain this in a PM:

Heck, why not jam a broom handle up the players' arses & they can sweep the court for yah.
Rather than have to repeat myself, I'll post up here.

My concerns are for the players, always have been, always will be. 6 of the 8 owners will get their money back & it's suck shit for the other 2. Now I don't know about you, but after they've paid the entry fee, paid for flights & accommodation & given shitloads of their own time, they may run out of generosity to dip into their pockets to thank the players for their time.
That makes 2 owners that are dirty & 20 players that could possibly put in 5 days for SFA.
As has been mentioned by others, it's a huge risk for NBL clubs to have players risk long-term injury, when there's absolutely no incentive for the clubs to give the go ahead.
Then you look at the successful team of the tourney, what's in it for them? The owner's forked out the entry fee, for flights & accommodation & a chance to share $250,000 with the 10 players. Player paybacks aren't locked in.
We haven't even discussed coaches etc. Could they want some return for their time?
Another puzzle for me, is that they've got logos, match specific balls, the venue & dates set, yet no mention of ticket pricing for those that are expected to fill the stadium.
Back to my questioned quote, I see some players (20 minimum) losing out badly &/or some possibly being unavailable for the next season if they cop a nasty injury. It's all a bit flimsy for my liking.

DodgeTaylor
22-01-2010, 10:38 AM
I was asked to explain this in a PM:

Rather than have to repeat myself, I'll post up here.

My concerns are for the players, always have been, always will be. 6 of the 8 owners will get their money back & it's suck shit for the other 2. Now I don't know about you, but after they've paid the entry fee, paid for flights & accommodation & given shitloads of their own time, they may run out of generosity to dip into their pockets to thank the players for their time.
That makes 2 owners that are dirty & 20 players that could possibly put in 5 days for SFA.
As has been mentioned by others, it's a huge risk for NBL clubs to have players risk long-term injury, when there's absolutely no incentive for the clubs to give the go ahead.
Then you look at the successful team of the tourney, what's in it for them? The owner's forked out the entry fee, for flights & accommodation & a chance to share $250,000 with the 10 players. Player paybacks aren't locked in.
We haven't even discussed coaches etc. Could they want some return for their time?
Another puzzle for me, is that they've got logos, match specific balls, the venue & dates set, yet no mention of ticket pricing for those that are expected to fill the stadium.
Back to my questioned quote, I see some players (20 minimum) losing out badly &/or some possibly being unavailable for the next season if they cop a nasty injury. It's all a bit flimsy for my liking.

DD, thanks for the explanation. I appreciate your thoughts.

I guess what people have to keep in mind is that this event just officially got announced yesterday at a press conference. Before this time, less than 25 people in the world knew anything about it.

Sure, there are going to be a lot of questions and concerns at this early stage and these can't possibly be answered all at once. There is still over 2 months before the tournament and much more information and details will be released in the lead-up to it.

DodgeTaylor
22-01-2010, 10:46 AM
Poor Corey, why do they keep getting his nickname wrong (see headline in article)?? :-)

Here's an NBL player's perspective on the event:
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2010/01/22/108915_sport.html

haggard
22-01-2010, 10:59 AM
Dodge,

what is your affiliation with this competition? You take any criticism quite harshly.

Wallitron
22-01-2010, 11:38 AM
Yeah, such as the highly exciting "other team holds the ball up when they have it to kill as much of the three minutes as possible" strategy.

Use it late in the quarter, foul to stop the clock and put them to the line. That will be just as exciting, free throw line ups.

DodgeTaylor
22-01-2010, 11:43 AM
Dodge,

what is your affiliation with this competition? You take any criticism quite harshly.

I'm involved with it (ECB) behind the scenes, have been for the last few months and will be playing a role during the event in Adelaide.

I don't think I'm taking criticism harshly but if I am I don't mean to. I'm just trying to provide information, answer some of the questions and I don't think people should jump to conclusions so early in proceedings.

haggard
22-01-2010, 11:44 AM
Yeah, such as the highly exciting "other team holds the ball up when they have it to kill as much of the three minutes as possible" strategy.

Use it late in the quarter, foul to stop the clock and put them to the line. That will be just as exciting, free throw line ups.
maybe they could play a game of bump to decide the winner instead of overtime.

DDFan
22-01-2010, 12:01 PM
Free throws should be 2 points/shot.
Unsportsmanlike the same, plus possession.
Free throws for a flop, come off your score, & the opposition gets mid-court possession.
3 flops & you're ejected.
Technical fouls incur a pants drop penalty.
Inadvertently stepping on the Brett Maher signature will bring a warning.
Treading on the Brett Maher signature to put up a shot or play defence will put the opposition to the free throw line.
Stomping on it will make the player a copy-cat tool & Ben of Findon will mouth expletives at the player in high definition.
Haven't heard a whisper about who'll ref the series, but 2 refs with valid driving licenses would be a good starting point.

bev
22-01-2010, 06:53 PM
Why the negativity?

Goorj is quoted about it here:

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26616439-5006371,00.html

How can they have access to the NCAA players home for their break?
This is a pro tournament surely, with prize monies?

DDFan
22-01-2010, 06:56 PM
How can they have access to the NCAA players home for their break?
This is a pro tournament surely, with prize monies?If they win (sharing in the $250,000), they'll never have to work another day in their lives. ;)

Jive Turkey
22-01-2010, 07:09 PM
Would've liked to have seen a reduction in the shot clock to say 12 seconds. Now that really WOULD make it the equivalent of 20/20 cricket

DDFan
22-01-2010, 07:13 PM
Would've liked to have seen a reduction in the shot clock to say 12 seconds. Now that really WOULD make it the equivalent of 20/20 cricketHalf court violation of 4 seconds should make it cricket too.
1.5 second key violations?
Next you'll want to bowl a maiden over on FTA.

cantremeber
22-01-2010, 07:15 PM
I'd have a dunk worth 3pts.
No zone defense allowed

Stumps
22-01-2010, 07:55 PM
I'd have a dunk worth 3pts.
No zone defense allowed
Agreed.

fan since the old snakepit
22-01-2010, 08:12 PM
If dunks are worth 3 there will be lots of fouls given up to stop them. This is turning into a 48min foulfest.

DDFan
22-01-2010, 08:26 PM
If dunks are worth 3 there will be lots of fouls given up to stop them. This is turning into a 48min foulfest.Those fouls will by definition be in the act of shooting & worth 3 free-throws, so that may dampen things a bit (dunks being fairly high %).
How will the travel rule be blown? That's another interesting factor that's not been touched on yet.

Stumps
22-01-2010, 08:54 PM
If dunks are worth 3 there will be lots of fouls given up to stop them. This is turning into a 48min foulfest.
Well, if you're fouled in the act of shooting a three-pointer, it's three free throws :p

EDIT: Sorry DDFan, you already said that.

Stumps
22-01-2010, 08:55 PM
How will the travel rule be blown?
Right out of there!

DDFan
22-01-2010, 08:59 PM
Well, if you're fouled in the act of shooting a three-pointer, it's three free throws :p

EDIT: Sorry DDFan, you already said that.That's OK, I'm faster on the keyboard that you are. :p ;)

Stumps
22-01-2010, 10:41 PM
That's OK, I'm faster on the keyboard that you are. :p ;)
Half an hour faster, it would appear.

Voice(s)
22-01-2010, 10:51 PM
I'd have a dunk worth 3pts.
No zone defense allowed

JVG was talking about this on Inside The Game tonight and said they seriously considered it but thought players might risk injury manically trying to go for dunks all the time during that period.

DDFan
22-01-2010, 11:04 PM
Half an hour faster, it would appear.And disadvantaged by the time zone too. ;)

haggard
23-01-2010, 12:33 AM
I'm involved with it (ECB) behind the scenes,

thanks for your answer

Bring back the Bullets
23-01-2010, 10:15 AM
JVG was talking about this on Inside The Game tonight and said they seriously considered it but thought players might risk injury manically trying to go for dunks all the time during that period.

What's Inside the Game?

Voice(s)
23-01-2010, 03:53 PM
What's Inside the Game?

Weekly online TV basketball show hosted by Brett Maher & Kevin Brooks. It's on Fridays at 6:30pm EST.

http://www.insidethegamelivetv.com/insidethegame/liveshow.aspx

j-mac
25-01-2010, 03:50 PM
Also, one of the biggest criticisms leveled at basketball by non-fans is that it is too high scoring and fast-paced. So is this version going to actually attract new long-term supporters?

DDFan
25-01-2010, 05:43 PM
Also, one of the biggest criticisms leveled at basketball by non-fans is that it is too high scoring and fast-paced. So is this version going to actually attract new long-term supporters?So you communicate with golfers & soccer/footy players outside of basketball.
They'd have to love our occasional 9 point quarters wouldn't they? ;)

I'd bet they're ticket holding Goorj boys too. :p

Mookie
27-01-2010, 03:54 AM
Also, one of the biggest criticisms leveled at basketball by non-fans is that it is too high scoring and fast-paced. So is this version going to actually attract new long-term supporters?

Perhaps that is the case, but perhaps those former basketball fans who lost interest in the sport will have renewed interest through the FTA coverage and the increased pace (and the 8 extra minues per game ;)).

j-mac
27-01-2010, 01:51 PM
Perhaps that is the case, but perhaps those former basketball fans who lost interest in the sport will have renewed interest through the FTA coverage and the increased pace (and the 8 extra minues per game ;)).
Perhaps. Or perhaps they'll see this as a rubbish gimmick.

I just can't see this bringing in significantly more supporters.

DDFan
27-01-2010, 02:03 PM
Anyone making bad press on this new initiative, will be disrespecting Brett Maher & relegated to a Julius Hodge exile.

RE$PECT.

angry ant
28-01-2010, 06:00 PM
http://twitter.com/ECBHoops

Jeff Van Groningen interview.

Mr bEn
31-01-2010, 02:10 PM
Perhaps. Or perhaps they'll see this as a rubbish gimmick.

I just can't see this bringing in significantly more supporters.

I agree. Slamball anyone?

meg
31-01-2010, 07:27 PM
Where is the money coming from again?

Hope it doesn't turn into Slamball

Indeed.

angry ant
12-02-2010, 11:09 PM
ECBHoops- CYCLONES SNAPPED UP BY SYDNEY-BASED GROUP: BRUCE BOLDEN TO COACH- check www.highstakeshoops.com for the press release on homepage!

ECBHoops- A few announcements to be made early next week with a significant one on Tuesday...stay tuned..

curious
12-02-2010, 11:12 PM
Non sanctioned BA comp.
Meaning no team in Oz has to release any players to allow them to compete in this competition.

illusiv
13-02-2010, 08:53 AM
Non sanctioned BA comp.
Meaning no team in Oz has to release any players to allow them to compete in this competition.

They don't but it's not going to make clubs or the NBL look very good if they don't.

This comp has done something that the NBL can't. Get FTA and interest. People will watch it one One HD and if they don't have any NBL players and the commentators say why, I think it will make the NBL look bad.

curious
13-02-2010, 10:05 AM
Don't just think it's NBL'' related.
AFAIK it means that no BA affiliated club need to release any players.
ABA /SEABL/QBA / etc etc.
If the pool from the NBL is poor, then JVG will look at the next level to draw players from.
Maybe Anstey, McKinnon, Bear and Wortho can feature one last time. ;)

Cussy
13-02-2010, 10:10 AM
They don't but it's not going to make clubs or the NBL look very good if they don't.

This comp has done something that the NBL can't. Get FTA and interest. People will watch it one One HD and if they don't have any NBL players and the commentators say why, I think it will make the NBL look bad.

So the NBL has to risk it's players to this flash in the pan comp, or else they risk looking bad? I really don't think this one off comp is in any position to hold the upper hand over the current NBL and it never will.

Skindog the Hawk
13-02-2010, 10:18 AM
All depends on how much $$ can be offered to players in the future to suit up and play. Anyone care to remember what SuperLeague did to the ARL in the 90's??? Whilst this hasn't got the $$ that SuperLeague had, it may only be a matter of time before a schism occurs. Players (in general) will gravitate towards the money - they only have a short time to earn it.

Sd.

angry ant
16-02-2010, 06:59 PM
http://www.claritysport.org/images/ECB%20Release%20$10000%20GBC.pdf

paul
17-02-2010, 09:22 AM
The big difference here Skindog is that rugby league didnt have a 'FIBA' and such a large international component to the sport. If someone plays in a rebel basketball league they can be potentially banned from all FIBA endorsed competitions, meaning they can really only play in that rebel league, and if it falls over they are in a sticky predicament.

That would be a limiting factor for many players. Of course, if BA stuffs up the NBL as the owners did previously a rebel league would have a chance of getting going and BA and FIBA eventually having no choice but to sanction it as it would be the only functioning league in what is a very strong basketball country.

Skindog the Hawk
17-02-2010, 09:50 AM
They already have high-profile sponsors and free to air coverage - the NBL has Virgin Blue, Novotel, OAMPS and FOX Sports. It wouldn't surprise me to see this take over to be honest...all it'll take is for another one of the NBL's straws to break.

SD.

Cussy
17-02-2010, 09:53 AM
You think this dicky exhibition tournament, featuring celebs and chicks as head coaches/owners is going to be some sort of competition to the current NBL?

curious
17-02-2010, 10:32 AM
The big difference here Skindog is that rugby league didnt have a 'FIBA' and such a large international component to the sport. If someone plays in a rebel basketball league they can be potentially banned from all FIBA endorsed competitions, meaning they can really only play in that rebel league, and if it falls over they are in a sticky predicament.

That would be a limiting factor for many players. Of course, if BA stuffs up the NBL as the owners did previously a rebel league would have a chance of getting going and BA and FIBA eventually having no choice but to sanction it as it would be the only functioning league in what is a very strong basketball country.

BA hasn't said you can't play in this League.
It's just not a sanctioned League.
Anyone can play in it at their own risk, however the Clubs that have contracted players don't have to release those players at all.
No risk of being banned at all. Unless those players play without their own clubs permission I would assume.
Then it would (possibly) be a ban from their own club, and future employment with their contracted club.

Nothing at all to do with either FIBA or BA.

paul
17-02-2010, 11:26 AM
They havent said you cant play because it isnt a threat Curious. If it tries to become a serious challenger to the NBL it will be a different story.

The only way it can succeed is if the NBL falls over, and BA are making some small but reasonable steps forward at the moment, which suggests that wont happen just yet. If BA get the commercial deals they are negotiating for next year it wont happen in the foreseeable future. Regardless of those, I suspect BA would have teams spending $500K on players rather than go broke. A very wise approach, but hopefully one that isnt necessary.

illusiv
17-02-2010, 05:34 PM
So the NBL has to risk it's players to this flash in the pan comp, or else they risk looking bad? I really don't think this one off comp is in any position to hold the upper hand over the current NBL and it never will.

I didn't say, suggest or even think that they could or would hold the upper hand... I simply said the NBL will look bad if they don't allow players to play in this comp.

Then again, aren't all players on 1 year deals this season anyway? I know that the contracts may run until June, but some players and teams may not want to re-sign.

Will be interesting to say the least.

foxylady
17-02-2010, 07:03 PM
in no way will the nbl look bad. it is the responsible course of action by an organisation that wants to protect the interests of itself and the players. sure some off contract (or retiring) players may have a look at it but really they are not guaranteed any money. it will be more interesting to hear the players' association thoughts and those of players' agents. are they encouraging the players to go for it or not?

angry ant
18-02-2010, 09:36 AM
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/greats-sign-up-for-elite-hoopla/story-e6frecj3-1225831644988
Anstey and Mackinnon likely to play for 'Coasters'.
Riley Luettgerodt will play for the 'Fleet'. Averaged 13 points a game at the University of Hawaii.

Clips
18-02-2010, 11:41 AM
Yesterday tournament organisers suffered a minor setback with unconfirmed reports the NBL Players Association was advising its membership not to participate in the weeklong series at the BMC on April 6-11.
Leading NBL players are known to be keen to participate in the eight-team series which will be shown live on ONE-HD free-to-air TV.
Wollongong Hawks captain and NBLPA president Mat Campbell was unavailable for comment last night and no currently contracted player wanted to be quoted "on the record".also from the article.

illusiv
18-02-2010, 12:20 PM
in no way will the nbl look bad. it is the responsible course of action by an organisation that wants to protect the interests of itself and the players. sure some off contract (or retiring) players may have a look at it but really they are not guaranteed any money. it will be more interesting to hear the players' association thoughts and those of players' agents. are they encouraging the players to go for it or not?

So whats the difference then for a team to allow their players to play in SEABL, SBL etc???

foxylady
18-02-2010, 01:16 PM
seabl and sbl competitions are sanctioned by basketball australia - sports injury insurance etc carries over ... big difference

DodgeTaylor
18-02-2010, 06:30 PM
Yesterday tournament organisers suffered a minor setback with unconfirmed reports the NBL Players Association was advising its membership not to participate in the weeklong series at the BMC on April 6-11.

As per the article this was in fact an "unconfirmed" report and was actually just speculation at the time from Boti. So far the NBL Players Association and the NBL remain neutral towards The Foot Locker Elite Classic and have no problems with their players participating in the event.

I believe he may be clearing up/correcting this incorrect speculation in his next article.

curious
18-02-2010, 08:58 PM
So is Boti printing a retraction?

angry ant
19-02-2010, 01:45 AM
D-Mac to coach Coasters.
http://eliteclassic.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/coasters-secure-all-time-nbl-great-d-mac-to-coach/

curious
20-02-2010, 05:48 PM
As per the article this was in fact an "unconfirmed" report and was actually just speculation at the time from Boti. So far the NBL Players Association and the NBL remain neutral towards The Foot Locker Elite Classic and have no problems with their players participating in the event.

I believe he may be clearing up/correcting this incorrect speculation in his next article.
Here is what Boti said today.
"ADELAIDE forward Jacob Holmes is president of the NBL Players Association, succeeding Wollongong guard and "Save the Hawks" mastermind Mat Campbell.
Holmes said the NBLPA would meet this weekend to consider an official position regarding the independently-run Foot Locker Elite Classic High Stakes Hoops, the eight-team series scheduled for April 6-11 at Brett Maher Court and on ONE-HD free-to-air television.

DodgeTaylor
23-02-2010, 09:23 PM
Some MAJOR announcements being made about The Foot Locker Elite Classic tomorrow.

Adelaide Dome, 12 noon, stay tuned ...

(I'll update in full after the announcement)

Julian
23-02-2010, 09:28 PM
Sponsors schmonsers. How about them Wildcats?

DodgeTaylor
24-02-2010, 12:00 PM
Brett Maher to play and Mark Bradtke to coach ... PLUS there will be an overseas player draft.

See highstakeshoops.com for full details on both announcements

paul
24-02-2010, 12:03 PM
Website doesnt appear to be working just yet, but they just guaranteed themselves a crowd in Adelaide if Maher is playing.

fan since the old snakepit
24-02-2010, 05:57 PM
Website doesnt appear to be working just yet, but they just guaranteed themselves a crowd in Adelaide if Maher is playing.

Want to double the crowd. Get Hodge

illusiv
24-02-2010, 06:48 PM
http://eliteclassic.wordpress.com/2010/02/24/foot-locker-elite-classic-high-stakes-hoops-set-to-attract-overseas-stars/

Sports tonight should have info tonight.

angry ant
26-02-2010, 03:49 PM
Reidy & Shanahan Take Control of Rays
http://eliteclassic.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/reidy-shanahan-take-control-of-rays/

alleyoop
01-03-2010, 04:44 PM
Like the sound of the overseas player draft. This tourney should be good viewing for hoops junkies.

MLS
02-03-2010, 09:28 AM
Might be reading too much into something, but could Donta Smith be suiting up for the Rush?

curious
02-03-2010, 09:51 AM
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/greats-sign-up-for-elite-hoopla/story-e6frecj3-1225831644988
Anstey and Mackinnon likely to play for 'Coasters'.
Riley Luettgerodt will play for the 'Fleet'. Averaged 13 points a game at the University of Hawaii.
I would expect Anstey not to play.

jjj
02-03-2010, 11:01 AM
Might be reading too much into something, but could Donta Smith be suiting up for the Rush?

errrr... wouldn't he have to go into the player draft?

angry ant
04-03-2010, 09:15 PM
"TICKETS for the Foot Locker Elite Classic High Stakes Hoops - they just have to get a shorter name - here from April 6-11 go on sale on Saturday, with special weeklong and group deals.

The upcoming 24 overseas player draft for the eight teams will include two seven-footers, a couple of slam dunk title winners, a former Globetrotter and some college seniors."


http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/hawks-grand-opener-can-shape-series/story-e6frecj3-1225836825913

angry ant
06-03-2010, 06:55 PM
http://eliteclassic.wordpress.com/

Update....

angry ant
08-03-2010, 07:25 PM
Below is a preliminary list of players who have nominated for the Overseas Player Draft. Many notable players are still being processed and do not appear in this list. The list will be finalised following the Tuesday, 9 March deadline and distributed to Team Rights Owners, and include a bio on each player.

Anthony Jones
Bay Gordon
Bruce Price
D'Lancy Carter
David Fisher
DeMarcus Berry
Ed Millard
Exree Hipp
Freddie Robinson
Frederick Eshon
Harry Osterhoudt
Isiah Victor
Jarail Smith
JB Smiley
Jelani Clark
Jelani Gardner
Jelani Hicks
Lonnie Harrell
Marcus West
Mario Brown
Martinis Woody
Michael Boone
Ronnie Aldridge Black
Scott O'Gallagher
Scottie Wilson
Troy Jackson
Brian Graves
Terrance Woodbury
Jason Henry
David Carson

I've only heard of Isiah Victor and Jelani Gardner. Hopefully the finalised list will have more well known players.

angry ant
10-03-2010, 09:46 AM
http://www.highstakeshoops.com/ (Under players)
All the players that have nominated for the overseas players draft, including bios. Mike Helms, Isiah Victor, Jeleni Gardner and Mike Rose are some notables.

Voice(s)
11-03-2010, 04:39 PM
Looks like Willie Farley will be coming back to play for the Maher/Cole Fleet team:

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/willie-brett-out-to-revisit-golden-era/story-e6frecj3-1225839461839

DodgeTaylor
11-03-2010, 09:52 PM
Draft is set for tomorrow ... it'll be interesting to see how it goes. I'll post results once its done.

Good to see some of the (import) names returning to the country to play in the event.

angry ant
11-03-2010, 10:04 PM
Is Mike Rose still in the draft? His name was on the website before, but now isn't....

angry ant
12-03-2010, 10:11 AM
Team Rosters (To be updated)

Coasters
Coach- Darryl McDonald
Owner- Julie Corletto
Players- Mike Helms, Bennett Davison

Cyclones
Coach- Bruce Bolden
Owner- Nick Blackwood and Dean Coulpasis
Players- Terrance Woodbury, Mario Brown

Fleet
Coach- Ken Cole
Owner- Brett Maher
Players- Brett Maher, Willie Farley, Riley Luettgerodt, David Carson, Luke Schenscher

Monarchs
Coach- Al Green
Owner- John de la Torre
Players- Isiah Victor, Scott O?Gallaher, Galen Young

Pythons
Coach- Mark Bradtke
Owner- Buddy Franklin
Players- Bobby Brannen, Vernon Goodridge, Tony Danridge

Rays
Coach- Matt Shanahan
Owner- Patrick Reidy and Matt Shanahan
Players- Freddy Robinson, David Fisher

Reef
Coach- Dale Ryan
Owner- Dale Ryan and Stewart Briggs
Players- Shane Edwards, Jelani Gardner

Rush
Coach- Sedale Threatt
Owner- Lanard Copeland
Players- Lonnie Harrell, Michael Boone, D?Lancy Carter

Cussy
12-03-2010, 10:18 AM
So the Monarchs, with no coach or owner, has already chosen Isiah Victor?

angry ant
12-03-2010, 10:26 AM
So the Monarchs, with no coach or owner, has already chosen Isiah Victor?
Yes, I don't know who selected him. :P

-------------------
"Still getting news about the Draft but what i do know is Isiah Victor went number 1 to the Monarchs and Mike Helms number 2 to the Coasters"
http://twitter.com/ECBHoops

fan since the old snakepit
12-03-2010, 01:34 PM
Latest update including team name change.

Reefs now to be known as Reefers.

Coach
Ken Cole

Roster to include.

James Harvey
Geordie Cullen
Rashard Tucker
David Bailey
Ian Crosswhite

Team awaiting results from latest round of NBL substance test to complete the roster.

paul
12-03-2010, 01:58 PM
Word is that Larry Davidson is looking at travelling back through time to line up for the Reefers.

bev
12-03-2010, 02:19 PM
Cullen hasn't played for a couple of years and Harvey has had his hip operation so can't see where their names come are from.
Had heard that Cal Bruton has a connection with a team.

Cussy
12-03-2010, 02:20 PM
*slaps head*

paul
12-03-2010, 03:10 PM
Bev is actually right, Cal Bruton will be coach of the ninth franchise, the Caps.

Cussy
12-03-2010, 03:13 PM
Cal is dead and beret'd.

Clips
12-03-2010, 03:14 PM
Cal is dead and beret'd.
groan

illusiv
12-03-2010, 03:16 PM
Cullen hasn't played for a couple of years and Harvey has had his hip operation so can't see where their names come are from.
Had heard that Cal Bruton has a connection with a team.

Cal is involved with ECB....

illusiv
12-03-2010, 03:16 PM
Cal is dead and beret'd.

Oh that's funny... I'm in stitches...

Julian
12-03-2010, 03:22 PM
Latest update including team name change.

Reefs now to be known as Reefers.

Coach
Ken Cole

Roster to include.

James Harvey
Geordie Cullen
Rashard Tucker
David Bailey
Ian Crosswhite

Team awaiting results from latest round of NBL substance test to complete the roster.


Cullen hasn't played for a couple of years and Harvey has had his hip operation so can't see where their names come are from.
Had heard that Cal Bruton has a connection with a team.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Pass the blunt, bev.

Elphinkiller
12-03-2010, 03:29 PM
Cullen has been in smoking form over here the last few season in the SBL!!

Everytime David Bailey steps on to the court, the joint will erupt.

and if James Harvey was available he would high on everyones list.


and............. I'm done!!!!

Cussy
12-03-2010, 03:30 PM
Oh that's funny... I'm in stitches...

I think you're telling pork pies.

illusiv
12-03-2010, 04:05 PM
I think you're telling pork pies.

Oh no, I'm serious..

fan since the old snakepit
12-03-2010, 04:55 PM
Cullen has been in smoking form over here the last few season in the SBL!!

Everytime David Bailey steps on to the court, the joint will erupt.

and if James Harvey was available he would high on everyones list.


and............. I'm done!!!!

You could have made a bit more effort than this TOKEn guesture. King Cole is going ON about WEEDing out some more old school PLAYERS to add to his team.

A bit more on Cals Caps. He has so many options to choose from and can't decide. The only thing he has in place at present is an age limit of 16 years old on his players so they will dress in similar style to the coach and that each of them shall own at least 30 gold chains.

paul
12-03-2010, 11:54 PM
Bad news for Cal. He was going to be owner and coach of the Caps, but the franchise was vetoed by Seamus McPeake and Eddy Groves. Apparently they dont think there should be any Caps in Australian basketball.

angry ant
14-03-2010, 12:48 AM
The Pythons have added this guy- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgguMp2MiLw

Voice(s)
19-03-2010, 12:15 AM
Galen Young has signed with Al Green's Monarchs team:

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/basketball/al-greens-monarchs-to-rule-in-classic/story-e6frect3-1225842486040

Mitch Richmond AKA Rock
23-03-2010, 10:00 PM
Hoopsters, the ECB schedule was released today along with the news that Luke Schenscher will be joining Brett Maher's Fleet team for the event:

http://eliteclassic.wordpress.com/

Elphinkiller
24-03-2010, 10:46 AM
For you guys that are somehow associated with this is there somewhere on the website that as a link to the teams so we can see what players are lining up for what team. I know there have been some releases about indivdual players but just wanted to have a look at the rosters so I can work out which team has the least number of players I hate and then I can go for them.

angry ant
24-03-2010, 07:13 PM
For you guys that are somehow associated with this is there somewhere on the website that as a link to the teams so we can see what players are lining up for what team. I know there have been some releases about indivdual players but just wanted to have a look at the rosters so I can work out which team has the least number of players I hate and then I can go for them.
So far-
Coasters
Coach- Darryl McDonald
Owner- Julie Corletto
Players- Mike Helms, Bennett Davison, Brad Davidson, Sean Lampley

Cyclones
Coach- Bruce Bolden
Owner- Nick Blackwood and Dean Coulpasis
Players- Terrance Woodbury, Mario Brown, BJ Carter

Fleet
Coach- Ken Cole
Owner- Brett Maher
Players- Brett Maher, Willie Farley, Riley Luettgerodt, David Carson, Luke Schenscher

Monarchs
Coach- Al Green
Owner- John de la Torre
Players- Isiah Victor, Scott O?Gallaher, Galen Young, Rashad Tucker, Damon Thornton

Pythons
Coach- Mark Bradtke
Owner- Buddy Franklin
Players- Bobby Brannen, Vernon Goodridge, Tony Danridge, John Rillie, Tom Daly, Michael Florance

Rays
Coach- Matt Shanahan
Owner- Patrick Reidy and Matt Shanahan
Players- Freddy Robinson, David Fisher

Reef
Coach- Dale Ryan
Owner- Dale Ryan and Stewart Briggs
Players- Shane Edwards, Jelani Gardner

Rush
Coach- Sedale Threatt
Owner- Lanard Copeland
Players- Lonnie Harrell, Michael Boone, D?Lancy Carter, Mike Rose, Thalo Green

photodude
24-03-2010, 08:16 PM
so far it seems like a glorified full crt 3 on 3 comp by the listed players numbers

Voice(s)
25-03-2010, 01:35 AM
I don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere but where the hell are the other 80% of players needed going to come from? They won't be able to use ABL players so might have to hold some sort of open tryouts to fill up the rosters.

Luckily I only recently bought a new pair of Gaze shoes so I'm good to go (in theory at least) ;)

angry ant
25-03-2010, 09:19 AM
Some notables have been revealed by Boti Nagy today. Look at my previous post to see who...

Cussy
25-03-2010, 10:02 AM
I don't know a lot of those names but I am counting 3 or 4 Americans per team, some with only 4 or 5 players signed so far. I can't see many people really wanting to watch a pretend NBA league.

meg
25-03-2010, 10:09 AM
Are there any travel packages being put together for this?

DodgeTaylor
25-03-2010, 12:43 PM
I don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere but where the hell are the other 80% of players needed going to come from? They won't be able to use ABL players so might have to hold some sort of open tryouts to fill up the rosters.

Luckily I only recently bought a new pair of Gaze shoes so I'm good to go (in theory at least) ;)

Hey guys,

The rosters are a lot more complete than have actually been officially announced. Information about players and rosters will be gradually released over the next week or so. There are some big player announcements to come over the next few days so stay tuned!

Cussy
25-03-2010, 12:45 PM
Hey guys,

The rosters are a lot more complete than have actually been officially announced. Information about players and rosters will be gradually released over the next week or so. There are some big player announcements to come over the next few days so stay tuned!

You guys should probably make your own forum too. This NBL one (which we have to pay for is a joke, just like stupid Poxtel) and Derek McRulemaker is worse than Chuck Harmison.

DodgeTaylor
25-03-2010, 12:46 PM
And P.S. Many NBL players who are keen to play are "waiting", with clubs holding them back while they await announcements regarding television coverage of the NBL. This announcement may come prior to the event allowing a number of the NBL players to fill out remaining spaces on the teams rosters.

illusiv
25-03-2010, 02:33 PM
So far-
Coasters
Coach- Darryl McDonald
Owner- Julie Corletto
Players- Mike Helms, Bennett Davison, Brad Davidson, Sean Lampley



I think that a couple of recently retired players will join that team....

Elphinkiller
25-03-2010, 06:03 PM
And P.S. Many NBL players who are keen to play are "waiting", with clubs holding them back while they await announcements regarding television coverage of the NBL. This announcement may come prior to the event allowing a number of the NBL players to fill out remaining spaces on the teams rosters.

Dodge not having a go here just really curious to see how this will pan out.

If the NBL don't announce TV rights and therefore the clubs won't let their players go. Noting there will probably limited interest from ABA/SEABL/SBL/QABL/NZNBL (and any other state league I forgot) players because they are all in season at the moment, how are you going to a)fill all the teams and b) make it something that people are going to watch.

DodgeTaylor
25-03-2010, 07:59 PM
Dodge not having a go here just really curious to see how this will pan out.

If the NBL don't announce TV rights and therefore the clubs won't let their players go. Noting there will probably limited interest from ABA/SEABL/SBL/QABL/NZNBL (and any other state league I forgot) players because they are all in season at the moment, how are you going to a)fill all the teams and b) make it something that people are going to watch.

Firstly, no problem about the question, people are obviously questioning the quality of players that will be involved.

The rosters for most teams are actually not far off being full despite what is shown on the website. There are a number of big signings being named over the next few days.

If NBL players don't end up playing, I believe the quality of the players on court will be well worth watching. The event should be less coached than normal league play so hopefully it will be a high-scoring, run'n gun style game which can be more entertaining to the general public.

Regarding the NBL and the TV deals, maybe you'll hear more about that in the next few days. ;-)

Finally, from an ECB perspective, news about the event is being released in a "slow reveal" type manner building up to the tournament. More and more information about players, rosters and much more will continue to be released in the upcoming weeks.

foxylady
25-03-2010, 08:20 PM
So far-
Coasters
Coach- Darryl McDonald
Owner- Julie Corletto
Players- Mike Helms, Bennett Davison, Brad Davidson, Sean Lampley

Cyclones
Coach- Bruce Bolden
Owner- Nick Blackwood and Dean Coulpasis
Players- Terrance Woodbury, Mario Brown

Fleet
Coach- Ken Cole
Owner- Brett Maher
Players- Brett Maher, Willie Farley, Riley Luettgerodt, David Carson, Luke Schenscher

Monarchs
Coach- Al Green
Owner- John de la Torre
Players- Isiah Victor, Scott O?Gallaher, Galen Young, Rashad Tucker, Damon Thornton

Pythons
Coach- Mark Bradtke
Owner- Buddy Franklin
Players- Bobby Brannen, Vernon Goodridge, Tony Danridge, John Rillie, Tom Daly, Michael Florance

Rays
Coach- Matt Shanahan
Owner- Patrick Reidy and Matt Shanahan
Players- Freddy Robinson, David Fisher

Reef
Coach- Dale Ryan
Owner- Dale Ryan and Stewart Briggs
Players- Shane Edwards, Jelani Gardner

Rush
Coach- Sedale Threatt
Owner- Lanard Copeland
Players- Lonnie Harrell, Michael Boone, D?Lancy Carter, Mike Rose, Thalo Green

so it wasn't compulsory for ALL international players to go into the draft. seems you couold pick up whoever you wanted - does this mean rules can be made up as they go along?

curious
25-03-2010, 09:29 PM
How will these international players get a clearance in a hurry.

Until players are all selected, what process enables them to be cleared in such a hurry?

It seems that of very recent times the Immigration Dept has been asleep at the wheel in processing sporting Visas.
Let's hope they are all cleared to play in time.

Prodigal
25-03-2010, 09:41 PM
Add BJ Carter to the Cyclones

angry ant
25-03-2010, 10:09 PM
Add BJ Carter to the Cyclones
Source?

Mr bEn
25-03-2010, 10:12 PM
so it wasn't compulsory for ALL international players to go into the draft.

I thought the same - would it appear it was all a meek marketing ploy.

Prodigal
25-03-2010, 10:15 PM
Source?

The horse's mouth

Elphinkiller
26-03-2010, 10:50 AM
Firstly, no problem about the question, people are obviously questioning the quality of players that will be involved.

The rosters for most teams are actually not far off being full despite what is shown on the website. There are a number of big signings being named over the next few days.

If NBL players don't end up playing, I believe the quality of the players on court will be well worth watching. The event should be less coached than normal league play so hopefully it will be a high-scoring, run'n gun style game which can be more entertaining to the general public.

Regarding the NBL and the TV deals, maybe you'll hear more about that in the next few days. ;-)

Finally, from an ECB perspective, news about the event is being released in a "slow reveal" type manner building up to the tournament. More and more information about players, rosters and much more will continue to be released in the upcoming weeks.

Cheers Dodge, thanks for the update it appears to be mute point now anyway.

if it does fall south though and you need a few overweight 31 year olds with an erratic outside shot and questionable left hand just send me a PM. :)

foxylady
26-03-2010, 08:15 PM
Cheers Dodge, thanks for the update it appears to be mute point now anyway.

this might be moot but your point is silent

Mitch Richmond AKA Rock
29-03-2010, 08:15 PM
Not long to go now, I personally can't wait to see more about the roster breakdowns!

"Check out www.highstakeshoops.com tomorrow as the rosters of each club will be announced. Most teams are complete with a few exceptions. Also stay tuned for a massive player signing announcement on Thursday!"

R-Diddy
30-03-2010, 10:43 AM
Add Kevin Lisch to one of the teams, not sure who yet (he wouldn't tell me) but he said he is going to be playing.

Mookie
30-03-2010, 01:09 PM
Add Kevin Lisch to one of the teams, not sure who yet (he wouldn't tell me) but he said he is going to be playing.

It's sounding promising.

haggard
30-03-2010, 01:26 PM
Add Kevin Lisch to one of the teams, not sure who yet (he wouldn't tell me) but he said he is going to be playing.

its a team with a 4 letter name.

Clips
30-03-2010, 01:31 PM
its the team that will sunburn I believe.

Unfortunately, this is the only relative result when I searched for Albino basketball players

http://www.nikdaum.com/news/09shanghai605.jpg

haggard
30-03-2010, 01:34 PM
he's shooting with his left hand.. thats Lisch I believe.

DodgeTaylor
30-03-2010, 04:07 PM
New signings are now up at http://highstakeshoops.com/

Cliff notes:
Homicide
Kevin Lisch
Peter Crawford
Chris Goulding
Gibbo
Bennett Davison
Rashard Tucker

I believe some more big names will be announced later in the week.

Cussy
30-03-2010, 04:10 PM
New signings are now up at http://highstakeshoops.com/

Cliff notes:
Homicide
Kevin Lisch
Peter Crawford
Damian Martin
Bennett Davison
Rashard Tucker

I believe some more big names will be announced later in the week.

Fixed.

Mookie
30-03-2010, 04:11 PM
The old Rillie-Homicide combo is back together.

DodgeTaylor
30-03-2010, 04:21 PM
The old Rillie-Homicide combo is back together.

Yup, look out Perth Wildcats! Nick Marvin will be having flashbacks ...

Prodigal
30-03-2010, 04:59 PM
Source?

Believe me now? ;)

mattic
31-03-2010, 08:00 PM
Is this going to be on TV?

Prodigal
31-03-2010, 08:04 PM
Is this going to be on TV?

One HD

CGG
31-03-2010, 10:26 PM
Someone please let those of us without that coverage how it goes. It should be an interesting test of their basketball coverage.

mattic
01-04-2010, 02:07 AM
One HD
Thanks.

Wild 1
01-04-2010, 02:14 PM
Is this going to be on TV?

Hope this helps > > > (from previous posts in this thread)


Press Release

21 January, 2010

ONE slam dunks its way into High Stakes Hoops

Network Ten today announced a return of local basketball to commercial free-to-air television with a new tournament ? the "Footlocker Elite Classic ? High Stakes Hoops" to air on ONE in April.

The competition, running from the 6th to 11th April in Adelaide will see more than 37 hours of LIVE basketball broadcast over five days on commercial free-to-air television. Steve Carfino and Bill Woods will host the coverage on ONE.

ONE broadcast schedule:

Tuesday 6 April &......


I think it's fantastic to see, and that it's on One HD shows that Basketball can get onto FTA. I think the NBL/BA need to get on and see how this was setup!


More info (and his thoughts) from Boti Nagy who was at the press conference:

Eight teams - the Pythons, Coasters, Rush, Fleet, Rays, Reef, Cyclones and Monarchs - will compete for $250,000 in prizemoney from April 6-11 at Brett Maher Court with all matches televised live on Network 10's One HD channel.



Full press release with quotes from parties involved (JVG, Franklin, Goorjian):

....Network Ten and ECB have created a partnership which results in ONE broadcasting the 'Foot Locker Elite Classic - High Stakes Hoops' in its entirety - over 37 hours of live basketball on free-to-air commercial television.....



Maybe One HD are dipping their toes in with this and if they like the ratings might make a run at the NBL? I'd assume Maher will go into more detail about it all on Inside The Game tomorrow night. This is only a good thing for basketball in this country and I'll certainly be watching.



This comp has done something that the NBL can't. Get FTA and interest. People will watch it one One HD and if they don't have any NBL players and the commentators say why, I think it will make the NBL look bad.


Here is what Boti said today.
....Holmes said the NBLPA would meet this weekend to consider an official position regarding the independently-run Foot Locker Elite Classic High Stakes Hoops, the eight-team series scheduled for April 6-11 at Brett Maher Court and on ONE-HD free-to-air television.

Mitch Richmond AKA Rock
04-04-2010, 06:40 PM
Preview of the "Game Breaker" backboard lights for the Elite Classic Tournament starting Tuesday in Adelaide on OneHD by brainchild Jvg. Good luck mate!

Mitch Richmond AKA Rock
04-04-2010, 08:13 PM
Here's a look at the official game ball of the Elite Classic High Stakes Hoops by Spalding:

j-mac
05-04-2010, 04:25 PM
SO they're still doing this then?

angry ant
05-04-2010, 04:57 PM
SO they're still doing this then?
No, they cancelled it a couple of months ago.

jjj
05-04-2010, 06:14 PM
Here's a look at the official game ball of the Elite Classic High Stakes Hoops by Spalding:

wow... its round!

RedbackVenom
05-04-2010, 09:26 PM
One HD has more than 12 hours straight of basketball on Tuesday! Loving it!

Mitch Richmond AKA Rock
05-04-2010, 10:03 PM
wow... its round!

Keen observation. You try getting Spalding to custom make a game ball for your company's basketball tournament.

angry ant
06-04-2010, 12:34 AM
Hoopcity is back with some ECB coverage. Quite a few interviews- http://www.hoopcity.com.au/

rjd
06-04-2010, 10:20 AM
Hoopcity is back with some ECB coverage. Quite a few interviews- http://www.hoopcity.com.au/

Thanks, aa. Good interviews. I didn't know Lonnie Harrell was an And1 player. Sounds like he is a big trash talker so it's appropriate he's on Copeland's team.

JR is obviously saving his material for his blog.

jjj
06-04-2010, 08:20 PM
Keen observation. You try getting Spalding to custom make a game ball for your company's basketball tournament.

no but i seriously appreciate your efforts to advertise on this medium. keep those products coming. who got the contract to supply the singlets for instance?

outer east
07-04-2010, 07:37 AM
Can someone direct me in the right direction to the results of all the games and stats?

meg
07-04-2010, 11:10 AM
Can someone direct me in the right direction to the results of all the games and stats?

No, because apparently they don't exist. A Major oversight by the organisers, I would have thought. I believe Boti has done a wrap-up of yesterday's games...try the Advertiser online.

Such a pity. A great idea ruined by being half-arsed with the details.

j-mac
07-04-2010, 03:38 PM
Such a pity. A great idea ruined by being half-arsed with the details.
And quarter-arsed on the marketing. http://www.bombertalk4.com/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

upnorth
07-04-2010, 05:34 PM
I would imagine that One would be paying attention to how well guys like Ronaldson and Rillie are coming across on camera. I'm hoping they snap up Rillie for their broadcast team if he is available. He's a real character, it comes across well on camera and appears to have a great rapport with a lot of the players.

It's characters that the broadcast needs... anyone can be a stiff and just deliver stock standard material.

jjj
07-04-2010, 07:55 PM
http://eliteclassic.wordpress.com/

day one stats here. i'd imagine day two will follow

DC@Hoopcity
08-04-2010, 12:54 AM
it's do or die thursday for 4 teams.......... Expect some serious passion as these guys fight for their chance to grab about $15k each if they win it all. Day 3 has 2 do-or-die games, and 2 exhibition games.

all game results and standings from Day 1+2 are up > http://www.hoopcity.com.au/eliteclassic.php

j-mac
08-04-2010, 04:16 PM
Big crowds.

Wouldn't this have been better suited to the Adelaide equivalent of MSAC (if such a thing exists) or actual MSAC, at least until finals?