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angry ant
09-04-2010, 08:38 PM
Rays vs. Coasters
11th of April 2010 4:30pm
Brett Maher Court
Live on One HD
http://twitter.com/ECBHoops
http://www.highstakeshoops.com/

Rays-
Team Rights Owner Pat Reidy & Matt Shanahan
Coach ? Matt Shanahan
25 David Fisher *
14 Freddy Robinson *
11 Kevin Lisch **
13 Peter Crawford
33 Tony Ronaldson
10 Damien Martin
15 Adam Gibson
20 Brad Hill
24 Ben Allen
20 David Bowley
W 104-83 vs. Coasters, W 94-88 vs. Reef, W 130-95 vs. Pythons, W 89-74 vs. Rush

Coasters-
Team Rights Owner ? Julie Corletto
Coach Darryl ?D Mac? McDonald
23 D?Lancy Carter *
10 Mike Helms *
11 Bennett Davison **
15 Sean Lampley **
12 Luke McMillan
13 Kevin Ratzch
4 Brad Davidson
7 Darren Ng
9 Derrick McDonald
L 83-104 vs. Rays, W 128-114 vs. Pythons, W 112-111 vs. Reef, W 110-100 vs. Fleet

angry ant
10-04-2010, 02:49 PM
Apparently the first 150 people at the HSH final tomorrow to say "elite" at the box office get in free. After that they will get in for the low price of 14.95.

Dunkin' Dan
10-04-2010, 03:23 PM
After that they will get in for the low price of 14.95.
LOL ... as if there will be more than 150 people showing up.

jjj
10-04-2010, 06:46 PM
what do the teams get as far as the cash pool. i understand the teams that did not make the semi finals got nothing

Voice(s)
10-04-2010, 07:12 PM
I can't remember the exact figures JVG said the other day but it was something like the winning team gets $175K, runner up about $25K and the two losing SF teams each get $12K or $13K

DodgeTaylor
11-04-2010, 11:49 AM
what do the teams get as far as the cash pool. i understand the teams that did not make the semi finals got nothing

Not correct, top 6 teams actually get paid, its only 7th and 8th that receive no money.

Prize payouts are:

1st $175K
2nd $23K
3rd $16K
4th $14K
5th $12K
6th $10K

A Higher Authority
11-04-2010, 03:30 PM
Just in case this happens again next year, is there a salary cap as such (or other restrictions) for a team or can you just bring in every stud you can find for one team and promise them a share of $175K?

fan since the old snakepit
11-04-2010, 03:57 PM
The only cap is the "TOOL" cap of two per team. It works. It prevented Lampley, Hodge and Tucker all playing together.

Prodigal
11-04-2010, 04:16 PM
As far as "allocation of funds" goes, from what I've heard there's been some major dicrepancies. Apparently some teams were looked after by their owners to the tune of video sessions, team buses, team dinners at nice restaurants etc etc. Others weren't so lucky with shuttle buses, buy your own meals apart from breakfast....and wash you own f*&king uniform in your bath tub after every game. There'll be some who wont front up again after it costing them money to be there.

Mr bEn
11-04-2010, 05:32 PM
Apparently the first 150 people at the HSH final tomorrow to say "elite" at the box office get in free. After that they will get in for the low price of 14.95.

Apparently if you say "footlocker" you get in as well :P

Maybe "fidelio" would work as well ....

Clips
11-04-2010, 05:59 PM
As far as "allocation of funds" goes, from what I've heard there's been some major dicrepancies. Apparently some teams were looked after by their owners to the tune of video sessions, team buses, team dinners at nice restaurants etc etc. Others weren't so lucky with shuttle buses, buy your own meals apart from breakfast....and wash you own f*&king uniform in your bath tub after every game. There'll be some who wont front up again after it costing them money to be there.care to drop any team names?

GordonG
11-04-2010, 06:02 PM
Just watching my first game of the series (the GF) and it's kinda underwhelming...

Glenn
11-04-2010, 06:08 PM
Just watching my first game of the series (the GF) and it's kinda underwhelming...

As mentioned elsewhere looks like a Nike Summerleague game, and the intensity to match.

Clips
11-04-2010, 06:16 PM
"you can help me count him down, you've got nothing better to do"

Steve sums it up well.

Clips
11-04-2010, 07:14 PM
Judging by Matt Shanahan's nipples through his white shirt, he's very happy with the win.

Silencer83
11-04-2010, 07:36 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed watching the Wildcats lite beat the Tigers lite. :)

curious
11-04-2010, 09:26 PM
Just watching my first game of the series (the GF) and it's kinda underwhelming...
Certainly the concept needs improving.
Too many chumps.
Not exciting enough to capture any new fans, and unless they do change the format, I for one won't be watching it again. If it ever goes again next season.

Dunkin' Dan
11-04-2010, 10:23 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed watching the Wildcats lite beat the Tigers lite. :)

Me too.
Congrats to the RaysareCats :D

Wish Cole could have kept a lid on his Lisch lovefest though. I could feel his price go up an extra $5k every time he started on one of his gushes :argh:

I enjoyed the tournament. Only disappointments were the lack of crowd support and the lack of bitrate allocated to the OneDigital broadcast stream. I really should have recorded the OneHD version.

$175k is a helluva nice cash prize for a week's work. Enjoy it, fellas!

Prodigal
11-04-2010, 11:13 PM
care to drop any team names?

I was referring specifically to one of the poorer performed teams. Hardly surprising considering their roster. Their performance is irrelevant though. If you're going to invite players to something like this then treat them shabbily it's poor form.

Clips
11-04-2010, 11:50 PM
I was referring specifically to one of the poorer performed teams. Hardly surprising considering their roster. Their performance is irrelevant though. If you're going to invite players to something like this then treat them shabbily it's poor form.
If it's the same team I'm thinking, I'm sure I saw them pulling the swing tags off their green uniforms AFTER the warm up on first day.

jjj
12-04-2010, 01:10 AM
Judging by Matt Shanahan's nipples through his white shirt, he's very happy with the win.

nah the air con was up too high

meg
12-04-2010, 10:45 AM
If it's the same team I'm thinking, I'm sure I saw them pulling the swing tags off their green uniforms AFTER the warm up on first day.

I don't think anyone could be particularly surprised by this. You'd have to be a pretty optimistic numpty to think that the competition would have any prestige over the NBL, and that isn't great.

I think if it goes ahead again, the standard will be higher and the players better looked after. The emphasis here was on the prize money. If this thing does take off and attract sponsors, and more importantly, any sort of crowd, those little benefits will come too.

It did look like quite a fun week for many players, and now that we've seen a well coached team take it all, the benchmark has been raised already. I'm sure there's quite a few overseas players who have gone home slightly embarrassed after expecting the win in this little bush league to be something of a lock.

Prodigal
12-04-2010, 11:19 AM
I don't think anyone could be particularly surprised by this. You'd have to be a pretty optimistic numpty to think that the competition would have any prestige over the NBL, and that isn't great.

I think if it goes ahead again, the standard will be higher and the players better looked after. The emphasis here was on the prize money. If this thing does take off and attract sponsors, and more importantly, any sort of crowd, those little benefits will come too.

It did look like quite a fun week for many players, and now that we've seen a well coached team take it all, the benchmark has been raised already. I'm sure there's quite a few overseas players who have gone home slightly embarrassed after expecting the win in this little bush league to be something of a lock.

No one was expecting prestige over the NBL. Do you think it's reasonable to invite people to play then not make arrangements to feed them while they're there? We're not talking about superstars here but guys who took time off work to go and play then had to pay out of their own pocket for basic necessities.
The cop out excuse given by the organisers for everything that wasn't done was "The team owners are meant to take care of that" As I've said, some did it and did it well. Others didn't and left their players in the lurch.

meg
12-04-2010, 11:40 AM
No one was expecting prestige over the NBL. Do you think it's reasonable to invite people to play then not make arrangements to feed them while they're there? We're not talking about superstars here but guys who took time off work to go and play then had to pay out of their own pocket for basic necessities.
The cop out excuse given by the organisers for everything that wasn't done was "The team owners are meant to take care of that" As I've said, some did it and did it well. Others didn't and left their players in the lurch.

This was pretty different to an NBL game though, in the sense that it was a week long contest about money.
Most people who compete in this sort of thing have to pay their own way, from someone's teenage daughter travelling overseas for a dancing competition, to national sporting representatives...ever bought a ticket in a raffle to help the Paralympians get to their goal? Those ordinary people need to take leave from work to attend these things...why are basketballers any different?

Anyone who didn't bother to check out the terms and conditions before they got on a plane or joined a team are pretty silly if they think they got stung (unless these things, of course, were arranged beforehand and then withdrawn)
In the scheme of things, these guys aren't stars. They shouldn't expect to be treated like one.

Prodigal
12-04-2010, 11:52 AM
This was pretty different to an NBL game though, in the sense that it was a week long contest about money.
Most people who compete in this sort of thing have to pay their own way, from someone's teenage daughter travelling overseas for a dancing competition, to national sporting representatives...ever bought a ticket in a raffle to help the Paralympians get to their goal? Those ordinary people need to take leave from work to attend these things...why are basketballers any different?

Anyone who didn't bother to check out the terms and conditions before they got on a plane or joined a team are pretty silly if they think they got stung (unless these things, of course, were arranged beforehand and then withdrawn)
In the scheme of things, these guys aren't stars. They shouldn't expect to be treated like one.

We're talking about people who were asked to come and play so there would be enough teams to make up the tournament and told they would be taken care of. They weren't. Don't see how it can be compared to dancing comps etc where people make their own decision to enter.
If everyone was in the same boat there wouldn't be any complaints. That's the heart of the matter. As I said, most of the teams were looked after as they were told they would be. Some weren't. Hardly fair or professional and not a good way to go about things if they want to do it again in the future

Clips
12-04-2010, 01:08 PM
I don't think anyone could be particularly surprised by this. You'd have to be a pretty optimistic numpty to think that the competition would have any prestige over the NBL, and that isn't great.

I think if it goes ahead again, the standard will be higher and the players better looked after. The emphasis here was on the prize money. If this thing does take off and attract sponsors, and more importantly, any sort of crowd, those little benefits will come too.

It did look like quite a fun week for many players, and now that we've seen a well coached team take it all, the benchmark has been raised already. I'm sure there's quite a few overseas players who have gone home slightly embarrassed after expecting the win in this little bush league to be something of a lock.Oh I agree, I just thought it was funny that the starters were taking the court, only to have one or two go back and have coach pull a tag off the shirt. It really did suggest that they were given a uniform in a plastic bag just before running out.

FaceAndBum
12-04-2010, 02:52 PM
No one was expecting prestige over the NBL. Do you think it's reasonable to invite people to play then not make arrangements to feed them while they're there? We're not talking about superstars here but guys who took time off work to go and play then had to pay out of their own pocket for basic necessities.
The cop out excuse given by the organisers for everything that wasn't done was "The team owners are meant to take care of that" As I've said, some did it and did it well. Others didn't and left their players in the lurch.

That what goes on in the real world these days.


Oh I agree, I just thought it was funny that the starters were taking the court, only to have one or two go back and have coach pull a tag off the shirt. It really did suggest that they were given a uniform in a plastic bag just before running out.

Forgetting to take off a tag, whats so funny about that?. The way the coach took them off?. Or the running style of the players going over to the coach to take them off?.

Voice(s)
12-04-2010, 05:06 PM
Boti's wrap up of the final:

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/super-show-as-rays-serve-up-winning-recipe/story-e6frecj3-1225852598682

HIGH STAKES HOOPS FINAL

Rays 95 (Lisch 23, Gibson 20, Ronaldson 15, Crawford 11, Robinson 10) d Coasters 81 (Ratzch 17, Davidson 11, McDonald, Lampley 10).

Game-breaker (3-pt shoot-out) winner: Willie Farley (Fleet).

Also good to hear the tournament looks likely to be back. All up I thought it was an excellent tournament with a few things to iron out like ticket pricing but hopefully it becomes an annual event. Gives great exposure to both imports and Aussies trying to crack the NBL and I thought the standard of play (especially from the Rays & Fleet) was exceptional and was surprised by the level of sponsorship which all bodes well for the NBL. Well done to everyone involved.

illusiv
12-04-2010, 06:48 PM
No one was expecting prestige over the NBL. Do you think it's reasonable to invite people to play then not make arrangements to feed them while they're there? We're not talking about superstars here but guys who took time off work to go and play then had to pay out of their own pocket for basic necessities.
The cop out excuse given by the organisers for everything that wasn't done was "The team owners are meant to take care of that" As I've said, some did it and did it well. Others didn't and left their players in the lurch.

Up to the team owners. No different to any other team who flies imports over. Players should have checked those things out before coming out.